Author Topic: Couch (Read 1672 times)

Phil R · « **on:** March 11, 2008, 09:15:26 AM »

I tried doing a very dirty kid ridden couch yesterday with horrible results. I did the encap thing...

Not really much info herein but I needed to vent.

I find it curious how the VLM does so danged well with carpets yet...seems to be lacking on dirty couches. wasupwitdat?

I offered to take the thing outside and hose it off. she was unamused. I had an inside smile that made me feel all warm and fuzzy. Now I need to go to confession.

"Bless Me Father, it is have never since I have been here. I am Baptist."

He was unamused...

noweare · « **Reply #1 on:** March 11, 2008, 09:43:32 AM »

Phil
When its really bad I start with HWE and then follow with OP.
I've had very good results with OP and it is usually all I use.

Joe

Mike M · « **Reply #2 on:** March 11, 2008, 10:39:37 AM »

The soil type is different than carpet.

I normally prespray, agitate, then HWE upholstery. The only time I use straight encap is is the soil load is light and I'm doing piles of chairs.

The problem with upholstery is that it is cleaned even less than carpet and the fabrics used are less durable.

Phil R · « **Reply #3 on:** March 11, 2008, 03:33:24 PM »

I see. I felt like perhpas I was close to digging a little too depp into the koolaide stained fibers.

It makes sense to me now about the soil etc. Thanks!

When was the last time I mentioned "I love this board!"

If you guys would post a little more often...I'd get smarter quicker.

ChemBright · « **Reply #4 on:** March 11, 2008, 04:44:24 PM »

Quote from: Phil R

If you guys would post a little more often...I'd get smarter quicker.

Well young Grasshoppa! If you can figure this nonrelated puzzle out, you will be Masta Cleana!!

There are 7 maple trees
On those 7 maple trees are 7 branches
On those seven branches are 7 acorns
How many acorns are there?

Let your challange begin mighty one Oby kinoby!

Grant D. · « **Reply #5 on:** March 11, 2008, 06:04:31 PM »

2401 my young Jedi Padawan learner.

ChemBright · « **Reply #6 on:** March 11, 2008, 08:29:45 PM »

Quote from: Grant

2401 my young Jedi Padawan learner.

WRONG Danielson!

kingjoelking · « **Reply #7 on:** March 11, 2008, 11:25:38 PM »

0 acorns dont grow on maple trees. But if somebody taped the acorns to the branches there would be 49 acorns.

Phil R · « **Reply #8 on:** March 12, 2008, 05:39:27 AM »

Great! Just like you kids to give away the answer.

But, I would have been wrong. I wrote down:

"Electric trains don't have smoke"

and;

"You do not bury survivors."

But I was looking at Micky's paper

Gimme another one!

I believe the correct answer to be 7.

ChemBright · « **Reply #9 on:** March 12, 2008, 08:52:01 AM »

Young Joel is correct. Acorns don't grow on maple trees. He will make a fine Masta Cleana!

Grant D. · « **Reply #10 on:** March 12, 2008, 10:35:36 AM »

Since the premise stated that there were 7 acorns on each branch it doesn't matter whether they grow there or not.

Maybe I should watch Star Wars again.

ChemBright · « **Reply #11 on:** March 12, 2008, 06:13:12 PM »

Quote from: Grant

Since the premise stated that there were 7 acorns on each branch it doesn't matter whether they grow there or not.

Maybe I should watch Star Wars again.

True....

kingjoelking · « **Reply #12 on:** March 13, 2008, 02:14:41 PM »

Yes That is true which is why the second answer to that is 49 acorns.

"on those seven trees are seven branches." it does not say that each tree has seven branches. so it could be 6 bare trees and 1 tree with 7 branches therefore the answer is 49.

Grant D. · « **Reply #13 on:** March 13, 2008, 02:19:56 PM »

Good point KingJoel. I get an F on this one! And to think I used to teach college level logic....

kingjoelking · « **Reply #14 on:** March 13, 2008, 02:57:04 PM »

hey Grant. Not trying to highjack this post but, I will briefly anyway. I think you used to use a Dyson. Were you using it for pre vac and post vac? or just for pre vac. I was wondering if the clogging problems were because of wet hair or because of just so much hair? I keep hearing thatthey have tons of suction and get more stuff out then anything else but that isnt usefull if it is just going to Quit working or take more maintenence then anything else.

Phil R · « **Reply #15 on:** March 13, 2008, 05:46:54 PM »

How many acorns are on the dyson?

kingjoelking · « **Reply #16 on:** March 13, 2008, 06:00:54 PM »

No acorns on it just two nuts pushing it.

Grant D. · « **Reply #17 on:** March 13, 2008, 09:56:14 PM »

That was a good one Phil! For what its worth I know you didn't mean any offense by your comments on Paddyland.

KingJoel: I was using the Dyson for pre and post vac. The post vac on damp carpet was what caused the problems. The cyclones seemed to get clogged in addition to regular clogs in the hose. If you're only using it for vaccing on dry carpet you shouldn't have that issue. IMO there are better vacs, but if you like it might work just fine for you, I know many seem to like them.

Phil R · « **Reply #18 on:** March 14, 2008, 04:53:29 AM »

I know all the smart guys knew what I mean Grant. But thanks.

Vacuum: I own, use and lover mine. It is a Simplicity 7.

One issue is it is housed with plastic. But...it is also rather light for a commercial vacuum.

John Bolton · « **Reply #19 on:** March 15, 2008, 11:08:46 AM »

WOA !!!

An encapsulating shampoo is is fundamentally dependant on the shampoo forming a 'shell' around the soil as it dries.

If the carpet is even damp when the post vacuum takes place, then the encapsulation process is incomplete so the process is partially interrupted.

Whilst I fully understand the practicalities and the desire to complete the procedure in one visit accept that there is a price to pay for this in terms of cleaning efficiency.

Now apply this to an upholstery fabric:

How dry would it be (if you even bother to post-vacuum)?

How efficiently can you vacuum, for example, a flat-weave cotton fabric? (Remember that such a fabric is a fairly efficient dust filter)

Spray/extraction* cleaning is the most effective method of cleaning upholstered furniture.

* I did not use the term "HWE" as the heat is often not included in my extraction cleans these days.

PS.

If you re-read the riddle it did not state that each tree had seven branches. Maybe one had seven brances with seven acorns thereon, and the remainder were branchless!

Mike M · « **Reply #20 on:** March 15, 2008, 12:46:58 PM »

John - Technically you are correct about encapsulating chems and how they work.

One really does need to vacuum after OP cleaning because it has a tendancy to dig up dirt and debris and leave it on the top of the carpet. If you didn't vacuum that off it would look terrible. The customer will remove what is left with later vacuuming. On larger jobs it can be dry when you vacuum. For instance when I am done scrubbing 20K carpet cleaning job the carpet where I started is dry. Residentially I don't thinkthe encapsulant would be cured in time for post vacuuming.

The great thing about these encapsulants is that ther is really no visible signs that they are present. It isn't practical for a cleaner to return sometime later after the product has fully cured just to vacuum. The customer will do that later anyway thus removing the remainder of the encapsulant.

I've done some encapsulating experiments with commercial upholstery with similar results. The encapsulant isn't visible. I have a feeling some of it will wear away as the upholstery is used. The majority of places I clean are suposedly vacuumed by janitorial staff on a regular basis but I doubt that actually occurs. The chairs I tried this on were what I consider lightly soiled. On heavier soiling I would consider OP padcapping.
I know John at CCS has done this with great results.

I also prefer HWE on upholstery because most of what I see has never been cleaned and is heavily soiled.

ChemBright · « **Reply #21 on:** March 15, 2008, 07:45:35 PM »

Quote from: John Bolton

WOA !!!

An encapsulating shampoo is is fundamentally dependant on the shampoo forming a 'shell' around the soil as it dries.

If the carpet is even damp when the post vacuum takes place, then the encapsulation process is incomplete so the process is partially interrupted.

Wow John, I actually disagree with you for the first time.
How is the encapsulation process incomplete because one vacuums over the damp carpet? Why would that be any different than one using a OP machine and then running a CRB and then letting the carpet dry or reverse? The carpet is still in the drying process. By post vacuuming, the tech is just removing more dirt before he/she considers the carpets clean.

Ps.
Come at me easy John. Don't get to technical...

micky navarro · « **Reply #22 on:** March 15, 2008, 08:02:41 PM »

jon,

its johns nature to be very technical. ya gots to remember, he's been at the game some 40yrs or more and in that much time, you not only learn quite a bit, he has chosen to learn beyond what most in the business choose.

i think what he means is this..............
for encap to work to its potential, it must be allowed to dry 100%, if not, enough will be removed in the vac process, where its not enough to form the "shell" as he calls it.

jon,

are you maybe thinking in the lines of padcapping, like ya do with carpets?

ChemBright · « **Reply #23 on:** March 15, 2008, 08:09:12 PM »

That makes sence Micky.

Andy · « **Reply #24 on:** March 18, 2008, 11:10:18 AM »

Phil, I have a white couch that I cleaned with my op stair tool the results were not good. A few days ago I got my VS2 from Mike Charles, I cleaned one strip on the arm rest, let it dry. The strip I cleaned is now snow white! The contrast is amazing. The nest time you see a used VS for sale GET IT. I am not ascared of upholstery any more.

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