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Offline Troy D

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Carpet Job....wants upholstery too.
« on: April 19, 2010, 06:51:42 PM »
I know many of you here do upholstery and some dont.  Ill take advice from either!!

Went to estimate a carpet job and homeowner also wants their sofa and loveseat cleaned.  They have never had it cleaned before and it didnt look all that bad to me but the armrests were then most soiled.  I have not done upholstery and not set up with a HWE.  Ive read that you can clean upholstery with a cyclo and encap cleaner...both of which I have.

Im just a little hesitant because I havent done upholstery for anyone yet.  I did do my dining room chairs (white fabric) recently with my cyclo and some releasit.  Came out great!  I used my vapor steamer first but it did nothing.  I figured I would steam them anyway as a sanitizer.  Anyway, this couch and loveseat is white polyester with some grey floral pattern.  Im fearful of browning which I have read about.  Not sure who but someone mentioned doing a polyester piece that browned because there was cotton under the armrests.  Any advice on how to approach this?  Im thinking I could get some good results by steaming the fabric, then cleaning with releasit and my cyclo.  I got the impression that if I dont do the upholstery Im not going to get the carpet job either. 

Thanks.  I have releasit and also encap green.  If there's any other chems that would be safe for upholstery I would like to hear about them so I can research.

T

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Re: Carpet Job....wants upholstery too.
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2010, 09:00:23 PM »
If you have any doubt about doing upholstery then............DON'T until you learn more about doing it. Cleaning upholstery without knowledge could be costly.

Buy some books, video, or take some classes. There are many methods that can work for upholstery. You need to know what to use when.

If the fabric is really polyester then it can't brown. That only happens to natural fibers like cotton. If you must experiment then do so on your own upholstery. It would be cheaper to pass on the job.

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Re: Carpet Job....wants upholstery too.
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2010, 10:54:04 PM »
Troy these forums are your friend. make sure you checkout the upholstery section on here there are cleaning codes listed thats the first thing you check.  I clean with both foam and encapsulant I do both by hand with a horse hair brush and a towel.  Learn from the forums and do a few test runs first on friends and family.  I have four kids so I get to test on my stuff all the time not by choice  >:(.

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Re: Carpet Job....wants upholstery too.
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2010, 12:08:13 AM »
Yeah, definitly pass on the upholstery until you can get some more experience and equipment.

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Re: Carpet Job....wants upholstery too.
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2010, 06:16:23 AM »
good advice.  I dont have a problem testing and practicing on my own furniture....just not comfortable with someone elses. 

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Re: Carpet Job....wants upholstery too.
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2010, 06:29:28 AM »
I usually research a topic on the 'net then just go out and do it.
The exception being upholstery. Take a class. You can get yourself
in trouble with this one.

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Re: Carpet Job....wants upholstery too.
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2010, 09:52:43 AM »
I was hesitant myself when it came to cleaning upholstery. Best to follow the above advice and just wait until you learn more about cleaning upholstery and get some more equipment. I recently went from HWE to OP, but kept my portable around mainly for upholstery cleaning. In my opinion, HWE is really the only way to go for upholstery cleaning. Luckily I don't get many calls for upholstery cleaning. In a way it's nice because it can be a real pain sometimes. But then there are times you can get in a position like you are in where they want both carpets and upholstery done. If you can't do both, they will go to someone who can.

Best to get some practice on your own furniture first though. We didn't have any beat up furniture around my house so I was hesitant to even practice on my own. I just read a ton about upholstery cleaning on the various boards and also watched youtube videos from professional cleaners. Then after I felt I learned enough, I finally practiced on my own furniture. Even though I've cleaned some upholstery, I still feel like there is so much more for me to learn.

You don't have to worry too much about browning, that's mainly with natural fabrics like cotton. I'd be more worried about bleeding on some furniture, especially on those that have floral prints with tons of colors. Although I like HWE for upholstery, it's not good for all types of fabrics so I will pass on a few. I use Code:Green from Cleancraft for Upholstery cleaning and get very good results. It's a neutral ph as well.

Best bet is to just take a class from someone like Jon Don. I've been meaning to take one myself, just haven't gotten there yet. I only live about an hour away from the Langhorne store and probably should!
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Offline Bill Martins

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Re: Carpet Job....wants upholstery too.
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2010, 11:57:30 AM »
Best uph class is Jim Pemberton's uph class in West Pa.  3 days all hands on.

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Re: Carpet Job....wants upholstery too.
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2010, 08:59:22 PM »
Like this whole business, I read about it here, made a few phone calls and just went out and did it, being very conservitive/cautious as I went into upholstery. I've done, maybe, 60 pieces of furniture. Only problem I've had is a bit of browning and I left some triangle wand marks on an inconspicuous place on a piece of furniture from too much heat from my steam cleaner. Be careful, but don't be scarred. I've raised my prices on upholstery and don't mention it unless asked simply because I don't like doing it.

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Re: Carpet Job....wants upholstery too.
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2010, 07:55:44 PM »
here's an update...

I did a job for a friend of mine, off-white/beige poly sofa and loveseat.  The steps I took were as follows...

Vacuumed cushions and outer frames
Cleaned using Releasit Hydrox with my Cyclo (just used spray bottle to apply)
Finished up with my vapor steamer and white cotton rags

I think it came out well! Of the steps I took the only one Im curious about is the choice of cleaner.  I went with the hydrox because it reduces risk of browning.  And being new to upholstery cleaning, I felt safer going with it.  But I used Releasit Encap-Clean on my own white dining room chairs and they came out looking brand new!!!  The Encap-Clean also made a nice foam when agitated with my cyclo...something I didnt see with the hydrox.

Wish I brought both to the job and did a side by side comparison.  My gut is telling me that the encap clean is the way to go though.

 

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Re: Carpet Job....wants upholstery too.
« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2010, 08:00:22 PM »
You are going to find that different fabrics have diferent results and just when you think one fabric will look great......it will come back and spank ya! usually it happens when you tell the customer that everything is going to look great.

Sounds like you did a good job on that couch.

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Re: Carpet Job....wants upholstery too.
« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2010, 08:38:26 PM »
If the sofa was poly then you don't have to worry about browning.

You probably could have used the encap.

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Re: Carpet Job....wants upholstery too.
« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2010, 09:21:06 PM »
You are going to find that different fabrics have diferent results and just when you think one fabric will look great......it will come back and spank ya! usually it happens when you tell the customer that everything is going to look great.

Sounds like you did a good job on that couch.

thanks!  safest bet is to underpromise and over deliver!  and not ruin the furniture!  :)

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Re: Carpet Job....wants upholstery too.
« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2010, 09:23:11 PM »
If the sofa was poly then you don't have to worry about browning.

You probably could have used the encap.

good point.  guess my hesitation was my inexperience and wanting to play it safe with the hydrox. 

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Re: Carpet Job....wants upholstery too.
« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2010, 10:02:31 PM »
I don't clean much uph either, but I like to use hydrox when I do for similar reasons.  Tends to work well for me.  I use it on wool area rugs when I do them also.

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« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2010, 05:36:37 PM »
went by today to inspect how the job came out and....looked absolutely great!  She was really happy and I was surprised at how well the fabric "popped"  Looks like hydrox is a keeper.

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Re: Carpet Job....wants upholstery too.
« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2010, 08:31:06 PM »
  Better late than never on this info!  Low PH on browning pieces.  " WE" do all know that PH 7 is neutral  !?        Anything lower is acidic and anything higher is alkalinity .   Your alkalinity is your workhorse, "detergents" and every # over 7 your pH strength gets stronger.  Say a 12pH is some really kick ass detergents, you can cause more problems with higher pH's,  such as color loss!   " Low pH on wools, follow up with a fiber rinse which would be acidic."
         Clean with only high enough pH "alkalinity" to clean fibers, follow with a low pH "acidic" to rinse fibers.
          If you think you have upholstery's or carpets "usually wool or rug fringes, raw cottons" that will brown,  use an acid rinse and speed dry will help eliminate allot of browning problems.  Plus an acid rinse will also leave a "soft hand" .
          Leaving high pH's in carpet or upholstery's causes them to dirty quicker because the detergents left in can be "sticky". Always try to leave them in a slightly acidic state.
          Check for colorfastnest in inconspicuous areas with your detergents .  These methods are more for HWE, although this chemistry can be applied to all wet cleanables.
          An upholstery class is a very good thing to take, there is alot of upholstery's you can wet clean with the right knowledge . On an average  I Charge $10 a liner foot for sofas, 7' = $70.      You can do wet cleaning with small porty's , you don't need a 35 hp truckmount, and this is another niche in your cleaning biz that can help fill in some empty slots in your work schedule.     
      I did take a Jon don upholstery and fabric class and I do recommend taking one if you plan to do much of this type of cleaning, Theres money in this stuff and it is just as easy as cleaning carpets with the right knowledge.   

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Re: Carpet Job....wants upholstery too.
« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2010, 03:27:24 AM »
Better advise for you is just to first learn upholstery.gather experience and tools then go for it.


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