Author Topic: New Bonnet (Read 1347 times)

Bonnet Pro · « **on:** February 03, 2012, 02:52:16 PM »

Hi, recently I ran a thread for new pad development. thought I would start a fresh one. I had a manufacturer ( Tuway ) make me a custom brand new product. It is essentially a Thin Line bonnets weave/construction but made of 100 % cotton instead of a synthetic blend. If this moves forward the quality should be very high as it will not be an import. I'm thinking that the results may be better then the terry type due to the multi height construction. I will be field testing next week and will provide feedback. No idea of price or anything like that yet. We will see if they clean well first.

ChemBright · « **Reply #1 on:** February 03, 2012, 03:27:02 PM »

Let us know if it shrinks down after a few washes as well. Curious....

jeffvanburen · « **Reply #2 on:** February 03, 2012, 05:44:04 PM »

Glad to hear someone is fulfilling the need, keep us posted.

G Kleen · « **Reply #3 on:** February 03, 2012, 06:06:37 PM »

Way to go John!

Lookin forward to it.

Ray Branch · « **Reply #4 on:** February 04, 2012, 10:04:32 AM »

Same here John. Looking forward to reading/hearing more about this pad. Keep us posted. Thanks.

Bonnet Pro · « **Reply #5 on:** February 07, 2012, 05:02:10 PM »

I ran one of the new cotton pads today. It measures 17" exactly. I will check it again after the first wash. I air dry my bonnets.

I'm having trouble posting a picture maybe someone can help.

I cleaned one of my regular buildings. Two floors ( hallways) about 440 s.f. each floor. I used new Surround DS my 3rd strongest product, un boosted. This carpet has Guardian on the 1st floor but not the 2nd floor and really did not look like it needed to be cleaned. No spots and a fairly bright even appearance. I have serviced this ten year old carpet since its install.

Even considering the fact that the carpet looked pretty good and I pre vacuumed I still got a pretty good amount of soil on the pad, more from the second floor even though the first floor is used more as it is a non elevator building. Guardian would be the reason for that. The second thing I noticed is that this new bonnet is a true 2 sided bonnet. Soil did not bleed through to the second side after the first side cleaned 400 plus s.f.. It did need a good shake before I used it but most new bonnets have lint. After I left the second floor and cleaned and protected the first floor, 15 - 20 minutes or so I went back to the second floor and it was dry to the touch. A nylon looped low pile. You could still see some moisture marks but it was not soaked or even wet to the touch. Another good sign that the pad was working well.

I will wash and measure and post more as I have it. I will run two more on the Carpet Max tomorrow.

Bonnet Pro · « **Reply #6 on:** February 09, 2012, 01:27:14 PM »

I washed the bonnet and it did not appear to shrink. If it did it was an 1/8"at most. The bonnet actually looked better after it was cleaned. If I ever figure out how to post a pic I will put a couple up.

I ran them on another job under the CarpetMax. These covered about 1400sf per side and still did not bleed through. I have decided to move forward.

Question: Do you think it is desirable for those of you who have the Cimex to have a 8" cotton bonnet for your machine?

Bonnet Pro · « **Reply #7 on:** February 09, 2012, 02:21:45 PM »

The first side by side is a new pad and from the cleaning from my Feb 7th post. The overlapping shot is that same dirty pad after the first wash. Tide and Bright All in a top loader. The washed pad is the one on the bottom.

Cleantech · « **Reply #8 on:** February 09, 2012, 03:31:23 PM »

I like!
Especially like that they dont bleed through!

If they are cheap enough I would consider picking them up for my mex, but I could see cimex guys using them for heavily soiled traffic lanes to take their cleaning to the next level.

Thanks for posting John

Ray Branch · « **Reply #9 on:** February 09, 2012, 06:15:46 PM »

Looks great John, thanks for posting. Do you have an idea about size and pricing yet?

Bonnet Pro · « **Reply #10 on:** February 10, 2012, 11:14:05 AM »

Hi Ray,
I will probably start with 8 17 and 19" It is a different set up so I will wait before I do a 21" for op machines. I'm still waiting to get pricing, I should hopefully be able to answer that next week.

AndyKramer20 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 12, 2012, 08:46:57 PM »

I have always liked the tuway bonnets but always liked the way cotton absorbed so this is the best of both worlds good job John I think they can be a winner.

ChemBright · « **Reply #12 on:** February 12, 2012, 09:48:11 PM »

John- Have you done a real hairy job where you have pulled alot of hair out of the carpet yet? If so......is any of it bunching up in the pad?

Bonnet Pro · « **Reply #13 on:** February 14, 2012, 03:05:00 PM »

Quote from: ChemBright on February 12, 2012, 09:48:11 PM

John- Have you done a real hairy job where you have pulled alot of hair out of the carpet yet? If so......is any of it bunching up in the pad?

I have not run across that, sorry I can help. I have most of the details worked out. We will be making 8 17 and 19" I am currently finding out about 21inch for op
Also, I am looking at doing more per case than 6. Maybe 10 to utilize the case size better. They will cost about $ 14-16 for a 19" about $14 for a 17" and about $ 5.75 for an 8" each.
About the price of the single layer terry type? Should be a better value as this one is a true two sided cotton. So far I have ran them about 5 cleanings and washes. They still look very good after they wash. I have run them several times under the CarpetMax and over metal thresholds and they are holding up well. Hoping to have them in about 30 days.

AndyKramer20 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 14, 2012, 04:49:16 PM »

Please post when you have them in very cool. Also for all cotton bonnets I use a product like Pee Rad or bright all OSR to wash them they stay looking good for a long time.

bigchuckie · « **Reply #15 on:** February 14, 2012, 05:32:31 PM »

Johns brite all is a super charged laundry booster as well as a cleaning booster.

Bonnet Pro · « **Reply #16 on:** February 16, 2012, 09:03:50 PM »

I have some more news about the new ProCotton Bonnet. Used the CarpetMax tonight in the nursing home I shot the MiniMax video in. Cleaned the hallways this time. They did not look that bad. A darker Blue with a pattern, pretty nice looking carpet. Anyway the picture shows the two ProCotton bonnets from under the Carpet Max, plus a ProCotton that has been used and washed about 5 times, and the other two bonnets from the same job that did not seem to get nearly as dirty.

Not only does the new bonnet make the Max easier to control, they took out much more soil than the other two types. Since these are thicker than the terry type I am covering about as much areas as I would with a synthetic bonnet, 500 to 1,000 feet per side. I am also finding that they dont look grungy after they are cleaned. They dont have ( not yet anyway) the ground in ring I have seen from so many other pads even after the first wash. They seem to clean more easily like a micro fiber does. I am cleaning them while they are still wet from the job. I think this does have a lot to do with it.

Pricing: 17 inch 6 per case $ 84.42 Should be ready in 3 to 4 weeks. Mention this post for $ 10 bucks off per case on your first order.
19 inch 6 per case $ 94.10
8 inch 15 per case $ 85.50

Andy Mc · « **Reply #17 on:** February 16, 2012, 10:34:20 PM »

Sounds like a winner , as long as they hold up good.

AndyKramer20 · « **Reply #18 on:** February 19, 2012, 06:02:42 PM »

Quote from: Bonnet Pro on February 16, 2012, 09:03:50 PM

I have some more news about the new ProCotton Bonnet. Used the CarpetMax tonight in the nursing home I shot the MiniMax video in. Cleaned the hallways this time. They did not look that bad. A darker Blue with a pattern, pretty nice looking carpet. Anyway the picture shows the two ProCotton bonnets from under the Carpet Max, plus a ProCotton that has been used and washed about 5 times, and the other two bonnets from the same job that did not seem to get nearly as dirty.

Not only does the new bonnet make the Max easier to control, they took out much more soil than the other two types. Since these are thicker than the terry type I am covering about as much areas as I would with a synthetic bonnet, 500 to 1,000 feet per side. I am also finding that they dont look grungy after they are cleaned. They dont have ( not yet anyway) the ground in ring I have seen from so many other pads even after the first wash. They seem to clean more easily like a micro fiber does. I am cleaning them while they are still wet from the job. I think this does have a lot to do with it.

Pricing: 17 inch 6 per case $ 84.42 Should be ready in 3 to 4 weeks. Mention this post for $ 10 bucks off per case on your first order.
19 inch 6 per case $ 94.10
8 inch 15 per case $ 85.50

John did you use them wet or dry?

Bonnet Pro · « **Reply #19 on:** February 20, 2012, 11:20:23 AM »

Hi Andy,
Not sure I understand your question if I used them wet or dry. Do you mean did I wet them before I started cleaning? If that is your question the answer would be no. My machine sprays ahead of the pad so ideally I want the pad drier than the carpet so the wet is attracted to the dry . This helps to transfer the soil.
If I missed your point please let me know. Thanks.

jeffvanburen · « **Reply #20 on:** February 20, 2012, 01:03:59 PM »

Quote from: Bonnet Pro on February 20, 2012, 11:20:23 AM

Hi Andy,
Not sure I understand your question if I used them wet or dry. Do you mean did I wet them before I started cleaning? If that is your question the answer would be no. My machine sprays ahead of the pad so ideally I want the pad drier than the carpet so the wet is attracted to the dry . This helps to transfer the soil.
If I missed your point please let me know. Thanks.

John-
Thats interesting I've always heard that a wet pad will hold more soil from the carpet, not dripping wet but spin dry wet from the washer and on frieze a little wetter. Do dry pads only hold true on certain pads?

Bonnet Pro · « **Reply #21 on:** February 21, 2012, 09:52:08 AM »

Hi Jeff, the pad is an instrument to hold soil and used cleaning solution, like a sponge. If you take away a portion of its ability to hold moisture by filling it partially, haven't you also taken away some of its ability to hold soil? In other words if a sponge holds a maximum of 10 ounces and you pre wet that sponge with 1 or 2 ounces prior to wiping haven't you decreased its ability to pick up a spill? With the bonnet it will be pre wetted ( is that a word?) fairly quickly anyway as the cleaning process begins so I think you are just maximizing its coverage this way plus wet is attracted to dry so I believe is also performs better. You could use the same argument with a moist or dry paper towel and a spill.

jeffvanburen · « **Reply #22 on:** February 21, 2012, 10:40:31 AM »

Quote from: Bonnet Pro on February 21, 2012, 09:52:08 AM

Hi Jeff, the pad is an instrument to hold soil and used cleaning solution, like a sponge. If you take away a portion of its ability to hold moisture by filling it partially, haven't you also taken away some of its ability to hold soil? In other words if a sponge holds a maximum of 10 ounces and you pre wet that sponge with 1 or 2 ounces prior to wiping haven't you decreased its ability to pick up a spill? With the bonnet it will be pre wetted ( is that a word?) fairly quickly anyway as the cleaning process begins so I think you are just maximizing its coverage this way plus wet is attracted to dry so I believe is also performs better. You could use the same argument with a moist or dry paper towel and a spill.

Yes makes since but won't you be creating less lubricty thus creating friction, increasing the chance of fiber damage using a dry pad. On commercial glue down I can see a dry pad but on a more dense carpet used residentialy would'nt a dry pad increase the chance of fiber damage due to increased surface friction?

ChemBright · « **Reply #23 on:** February 21, 2012, 03:25:01 PM »

Quote from: Bonnet Pro on February 21, 2012, 09:52:08 AM

Hi Jeff, the pad is an instrument to hold soil and used cleaning solution, like a sponge. If you take away a portion of its ability to hold moisture by filling it partially, haven't you also taken away some of its ability to hold soil? In other words if a sponge holds a maximum of 10 ounces and you pre wet that sponge with 1 or 2 ounces prior to wiping haven't you decreased its ability to pick up a spill? With the bonnet it will be pre wetted ( is that a word?) fairly quickly anyway as the cleaning process begins so I think you are just maximizing its coverage this way plus wet is attracted to dry so I believe is also performs better. You could use the same argument with a moist or dry paper towel and a spill.

I have been saying the same exact thing for years. People argue with me about it. I do not run my pads damp/wet. They will be that way in about five feet of cleaning.

Bonnet Pro · « **Reply #24 on:** February 21, 2012, 04:06:42 PM »

Yes makes since but won't you be creating less lubricity thus creating friction, increasing the chance of fiber damage using a dry pad. On commercial glue down I can see a dry pad but on a more dense carpet used residential wouldn't a dry pad increase the chance of fiber damage due to increased surface friction?
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Jeff the pad is only completely dry for a second or so. The machine sprays down a wet spot, you place your pad on top of the wet spot and then start spraying, spinning and cleaning.
Ideally you want the pad drier than the carpet but it would never stay dry. You would either pre spray with a pump up or electric, shower feed or in the case of the Mini spray as you go.

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