You know John I asked you a question what makes yours cost 4 grand. You did not answer. You accuse me of not answering questions but you don't. Have you been to an IICRC class?,
why does your machine cost so much? if you would like to know why mine cost so much ( why would you care) then watch the video. My 200rpm speed came about from the torque numbers I wanted to reach since you must know.
Well let's see John, my machine costs 4000 dollars because EVERY part of it is CUSTOM, it is not a copy of another machine with a few different parts or available parts.
All my parts are drawn by me, I have them all custom made right here in Winchester, KY.
OP is quite a bit more expensive to produce than a rotary, plus I also have 26,000 dollars in patents on the machine.
Now all this is without adding, it is probably the easiest machine to clean with, cleans MUCH faster than a rotary, deeper, better and does so by its "NATURE".
John you have NOTHING I am afraid of. If you want to see if that's true then call me. I don't feel bullied by you that would indicate fear I am simply mentioning what others have said to me in the past two weeks.
ROFLAMO, what is this a testosterone moment for you? And I frankly do not care if someone thinks asking fair questions is bullying, is it called VETTING, have been vetted I have ALWAYS answered those who question what I do and why, and now seems to be your turn.
If you were THINKING ABOUT THIS, you might view me as a friend, not an enemy, I am helping VET you, I am asking questions you need to answer and I am helping you give those answers to all who read here.
Why did the man buy mine instead of yours. Yours sat in the corner of his house for a month? You cant have it both ways. You don't like my my view. One because it is not yours and two because ( in your mind) it erodes the need for your machine as the machine is not first the chemical is. Now I'm a machine manufacturer so why would I say that if it was not true??? You ask questions because you think you will trap me in a box and you dont like that you dont get the answer you want. Like I said you will not impose your will one me John.
Don't be so paranoid John this is just a discussion and I am MORE than willing to continue discussing these issues with you.
Now as to Joe, here is what JOE told me, he LIKES the bonnet pro, and knows it is NOT an op, however for NOW he enjoys doing something different, he thinks it looks cool and his customers call it an eye catcher. But he stated he has NEVER EVER seen anything clean like a Trinity, PLUS he still plans on getting one later.
Again the point of this was to say the chemical does the cleaning then the machines / pads carry the suspended soil from point A to point B . Your not listening John. But than again its not about that. You like to fight. So hear I am. You will find that after 6 months of this, that it was not as rewarding as you thought it would be.
Another testosterone moment? Those do not impress me John, so don't bother.
Actually the pads do NOT carry much of the soil from point A to point B, rather remove the soil from the fiber and then removes all the sticky substances from the fiber, crystalize the product-moisture-stickyresidue and allow the soil to be removed through regular vacuuming.
My machine is totally made in the USA and I hold the patents to keep it that way, BTW.
More BS, a patent has nothing to do with where a product is made or by the materials it is made with.
DUH, my patents do what patents do, enable me and me only to manufacture the machine and sell it, plus it is not only assembled but MADE in the USA,that should not be that difficult to understand.
Lets see since you are so wise if you will/can answer my questions. Show me how its done John, you wont. You will just complain some more.
Lets see John if you answer any of my questions
Ok, I have answered your questions, but I am still waiting on your answers...?
John and I seem to disagree on the egg or the chicken ( the chicken came first) To say someone does not know the answers ( plural) is just a personal attack.
? Personal attack, where have I ever attacked you personally? Good grief!
I have cleaned for over 30 years have done level two Bio Hazard clean up ( over 100 murder suicide and natural death incidents) did 250,000 feet a day of commercial floors 7 days per week for 6 years and am a former IICRC Master Cleaner and founded both of my debt free companies from scratch to name a few things. I never said orbital wasn't any good, I said and still say the chemical does the cleaning and not 1 person other than John has disagreed, why because it is the truth. And truth has but one answer. So I guess this is what John G calls a childish rant. And all the while I thought I was on a discussion board
You looking for a job? Or trying to impress somebody?
You say the chemical does the cleaning, however what % of the cleaning is the chemical? What % is the machine used? Does what machine used make a difference in quality of clean? Speed of clean? How long the job lasts?
What % of difference does the choice of chemical make?
How much faster does a 200 rpm 4000 dollar rotary clean than a 175 600 dollar rotary clean? How much better does it clean? Deeper?
What is the ROI of using your BP compared to a standard rotary?
Did you patent your invention?
Frankly I don't care what John G does. His company does not effect me. The people that buy rotaries will consider me I hope and the ops guys will consider him, he hopes. Some will migrate back and forth as none are perfect ( mine is close, just kidding) So John keep them coming. I guess its all good. I wished John well in an previous post and I still do. But I also said we just are not going to agree. Get more pop corn Chembright.
See John, I truly hope you ARE successful, but I will state you will only be when you can give people the answers to the questions I have given you. You have to answer WHY they should buy your machine, and stick strickly to facts.
I haven't bullied you at all, I treat you just as I have been treated and consider it fairly treated. Everyone has to say WHY they are better, or faster or why their ROI is better or something to convince people what you have is something they NEED.
Tell ya truth, you will come to think of me as a friend when you figure out how to convince your people your machine is the way to go. I have not hurt you one bit nor desire to, but I will tell you as one manufacturer to another, get off the high horse, quit the macho crap and freely discuss the benefits of YOUR equipment, and be thankful this all is going on here instead of out where everyone sees it.
YES it is all GOOD, I am not attacking, I am FORCING you to do what you NEED to do, we are both VLM, there are not many of us, I believe we have to stick together, but we don't have to do it by holding hand. This thread will actually be a help not a hinderance to you.
Merry CHRISTmas and a SUCCESSFUL New Year John and everyone on here!
