Author Topic: mini-max vs trinity cm (Read 1099 times)

Ray Branch · « **on:** December 03, 2011, 09:30:28 PM »

I'm sitting here watching ultimate fighting and I had a thought...how great would it be if there could be a matchup between John Klucznik's mini-max and John Geurkink's trinity cm. If it came on cable ppv, I would probably pay to see it.

Mike M · « **Reply #1 on:** December 03, 2011, 09:42:25 PM »

If you want to pay $6000 or so I can make that happen.

Ray Branch · « **Reply #2 on:** December 03, 2011, 10:02:29 PM »

If I had about 8000, is buy one of each and challenge myself to a match.

ChemBright · « **Reply #3 on:** December 04, 2011, 08:35:13 AM »

Yeah.....well......my dad is bigger than your dad!

CleanImage · « **Reply #4 on:** December 04, 2011, 02:12:38 PM »

I'd like to throw a $1000 300 RPM rotary into the match too.

Mike M · « **Reply #5 on:** December 04, 2011, 02:53:11 PM »

I think the Minimax has merit and is a great compliment to their larger machine.

A couple of Minmax and the large machine would clean a lot of commercial carpet per hour.

John Geurkink · « **Reply #6 on:** December 04, 2011, 07:19:38 PM »

ChemBright, this isn't about my dad being bigger than your dad, good grief, simple physics displays WHY they are not on the same playing field.

I personally don't care WHAT machine people buy, but for crying out loud let people buy what they want based on facts.

With a rotary a pad turns over the carpet, 175- or 200- 300 times a minute, change that to the same pad going over the same spot at a speed of approx 100 rpm of rotation, PLUS 1725 orbits per minute, this isn't rocket science, it is simple facts of physics.

You can state all day long a 100 hp car will outrun a 500hp car, but it simply doesn't make it TRUE.

ChemBright · « **Reply #7 on:** December 04, 2011, 09:58:09 PM »

My dad is still bigger than your dad. Your feathers are to easy to ruffle John. Trust me, if I had an extra $3600 in my wallet and needed to buy a new machine it would be your Trinity. You do not have to "sell" me on OP cleaning....I do it.

John Geurkink · « **Reply #8 on:** December 05, 2011, 07:40:02 AM »

LOL, did I seem ruffled? Maybe you are right..
Say, is Flourence close to Phoenix or Tucson?
I am coming through Tucson in late january and
going to winterfest in Phoenix in early February
hope to see you out there.

ChemBright · « **Reply #9 on:** December 05, 2011, 12:41:44 PM »

I am smack dab in between Tuscon and Phoenix. And hour each way. Why don't you drop off one of your Trinity's with me for a while so i can "evaluate" it?

PS. I have been referring a bunch of people to you lately. Even though you are cranky, your Trinity is tugging at my heartstrings.

Mo · « **Reply #10 on:** December 05, 2011, 03:52:14 PM »

Quote from: ChemBright on December 05, 2011, 12:41:44 PM

I am smack dab in between Tuscon and Phoenix. And hour each way. Why don't you drop off one of your Trinity's with me for a while so i can "evaluate" it?

PS. I have been referring a bunch of people to you lately. Even though you are cranky, your Trinity is tugging at my heartstrings.

It's tugging at my purse strings

There are quite few AZ cleaners on this board. Attending the AZ winterfest is staring to sound good to me.

Grant D. · « **Reply #11 on:** December 05, 2011, 04:18:32 PM »

Hey Chembright,

How far is the location of this "winterfest" thing from where my Dad lives near Phoenix-- Fountain Hills I think they call it.

ChemBright · « **Reply #12 on:** December 05, 2011, 04:26:45 PM »

Grant- I do not even know where winterfest is being held. As for where your dad is at. Downtown PHX is about 1/2 hr to 45 minutes away. When I find out where it is at I will let you know more.

Bonnet Pro · « **Reply #13 on:** December 15, 2011, 05:34:36 PM »

Take a great chemical apply it to the carpet and rub it with a rag with just your hand, no machine and no real pressure or weight. Anyone want to say that area wont come clean? The machine just allows you to do this over a greater area, faster and with less fatigue. If the soil is sequestered off of the fiber and into the water molecule by the chemistry than its off the fiber. The rest off the process is the carrying from point A to point B. That is the physics of this. John believes in his process and his machine. I have no problem with that. To be a manufacture you have to. But I do not agree that the machine is the entire key. Its not and never has been.

John Geurkink · « **Reply #14 on:** December 15, 2011, 10:38:45 PM »

Keep coming John, that is cool, however, answer me this, a 1/4 orbit OP cleans at a certain rate, a 3/8 at another rate of speed, 7/16ths yet another 1/2 even faster, ever consider WHY?
Why would it make a difference?

Does your machine clean as fast as a 175RPM?

Bonnet Pro · « **Reply #15 on:** December 16, 2011, 02:06:07 PM »

Mine is a 200rpm. I cant answer your question about the different orbits, it has never been my concern. My point comes from a different direction than yours. I could chooses to point out the flaws of orbital but I choose not to in this forum at this point. You feel the need for whatever reason to prove yourself. Well I guess you have to yourself but I'm still on the path that the chemical when cleaning carpets is more important than your rotations. Talk stripping floors, than weight and aggression is much more important when removing layers of finish. This is much different than removing an accumulation of very small separate particles when cleaning carpets. You keep focusing one 1 factor. The cleaning ability at 10 tenths. Some on the forum just don't agree with you. Why do you think that is? You forget to mention the quietness of the rotary, the greater longevity that adds to its value. I have a rotary that is 17 years old and has had zero maintenance issues over its life. You cant say that about your machine, can you? For a system you swear is so beneath yours you seem to be pretty threatened by it and you spend a lot of time trying to convince others that yours is the best. Like I said in another thread. Its for the people to decide not the manufactures. You can try to impose your will on them but that will not happen with me.

Bonnet Pro · « **Reply #16 on:** December 16, 2011, 05:41:23 PM »

Wow, my emotion? I see you are going to waste a lot of my time. The rotary has be around for decades people know what it does so how could I avoid that? I certainly have not avoided you. Your op question isn't important to me. Get over it. I dont sell op so why would I care? What hype? I said the chemistry does the cleaning, your the one having a stroke over it. First I'm not your buddy John, second I don't need to prove the merits of rotaries it out for all to see. I here a lot that people have problems with the op due to the aggressive movement, pad drive problems, bearing problems so I dont think you can say they hold up like a rotary. The chemical doing the cleaning isn't theory, ever been to an IICRC class? Your aggressive response would tell me your are threatened. I heard you where a bully. That's OK John, again, the people will decide. So I guess if you say it, it must be true?

This guy was testing your new Trinity and after all your facts he still went rotary. Why do think that is? Good grief I guess he doesn't know anything either?

Hey guys. Just got me a new Mini Max a couple of weeks ago. I really like it. Built to last. Very quiet. Lots of power. The pad driver allows you to use any kind of pad that you choose without causing any damage to the pads. You can use fiber pads, Tuways, Glads, Super Zorbs, microfiber, and cotton.

The dual spray system is an outstanding new development in low moisture cleaning. You can literally put it on cruise control with the solution and just boogy on commercial carpet.

I have been using the Mini Max on residential and commercial and have zero complaints after around 15 jobs.

I have used OP for years and still love OP, but I have seen no difference thus far in the end result concerning the quality of job that either machine does.

I highly recommend the Mini Max for anyone that has no problem with running a rotary. When I got the Mini Max, my rotary experience was about 5 hours total and I adjusted to the Mini Max very quick.

A top notch piece of equipment.

Bonnet Pro · « **Reply #17 on:** December 16, 2011, 05:56:46 PM »

If discussing exactly what it is your or my machine does in public is a problem for you, simply don't reply. I don't pop up unless I see bs, and like any other cleaner, will question you to BACK UP your statements.

One more question, why would a 200RPM rotary be almost 4000 dollars and a 175 600?
Why is yours worth more?
Faster?
Prettier?
Why does it clean BETTER than a regular rotary?

Your right their is BS on this board. You know your question is a dumb one don't you? Waite till the China start building orbitalsBut they haven't, I guess they still like the rotary better too. You know as well as I do that low product custom machines cost more especially when using lots of aluminum and stainless steel. Why does yours cost 4 grand. Its just an unbalanced rotary on a different frame? Please show me my quote where I said mine was better, I did say it is faster. 200 is still faster than 175 or is that theory also? Why is a BMW worth more than a Chevy? ( I have 2 Chevy trucks nothing against Chevy) You said it John not me. Prettier, faster and worth more. Thanks.

ChemBright · « **Reply #18 on:** December 16, 2011, 06:27:52 PM »

Time out, time out. I ran out of popcorn........brb

TRI -STATE FLOOR SERVICE · « **Reply #19 on:** December 16, 2011, 10:52:30 PM »

QUALITY AND NOT QUANTITY IS KEY WORD HERE GUYS.YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.THERE IS NO CHANGE IN THAT BUSINESS PRACTICE.YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO TWINK A LITTLE REDUCE PRICE.BUT IN THIS ECONOMY RAW MATERIAL PRICES ARE HIGH.REFERRING TO CHINA IT WILL HAPPEN WE ALL KNOW KNOCK OFFS BUT THEY DON'T LAST AND WILL BREAK DOWN.DRIVE A CADILLAC IT DOESN'T DRIVE LIKE CHEVY HAS 4 WHEEL AND ENGINE BUT TWO DIFFERENT CARS.ALL MACHINE ARE NO WHERE NEAR THE SAME THEY HAVE DIFFERENT OPTIONS.WOULD YOU LIKE TO BUY ONE HAVE IT FOR 10-15 YEARS OR BUY CHEAP AND GET 3-4 IN 10-15 YEARS.JOHN MACHINE IS IN LINE WITH THE MARKET Standards LOOK AT ALL HIGH END CLEANING EQUIPMENT IT IS ALL PRICED THE SAME

Ray Branch · « **Reply #20 on:** December 17, 2011, 07:36:55 AM »

As I was saying, I was sitting and watching ultimate fighting on tv.....(now look what I started).

Sorry guys.

John Geurkink · « **Reply #21 on:** December 17, 2011, 07:54:45 AM »

I wouldn't say there is any fight going on, all of us have been vetted for years, asked every question under the sun, the point is we have to answer them,

If I were to come on a suggest buying OP because "I" like it and no state advantages, benefits, or reasons to do so, etc, I would get hammered.

micky navarro · « **Reply #22 on:** December 17, 2011, 09:46:46 AM »

big john, ya'll get hammered anyways, lol

my feelings are both you guys build some serious, well crafted equipment, and are very passionate about your products!
i know i'd be if i were a manufacturer

John Geurkink · « **Reply #23 on:** December 17, 2011, 10:35:27 AM »

Thanks Micky, I do respect his passion, that is what drives us.

TRI -STATE FLOOR SERVICE · « **Reply #24 on:** December 17, 2011, 01:45:14 PM »

Keep up the good work John this only will make you stronger and better.Let them laugh now while you reap the benefits As I always say one day they will need you.Just look how you change the industry and that says allot

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Author Topic: mini-max vs trinity cm (Read 1099 times)