Well after researching other avenues I have concluded that a dry cleaner, freshly disolved in water will Always be more powerfull than premixed n bottled.
With that said, I dont understand why most Chem companies dont make powdered versions of there cleaners.. especially with how many forms of chelates that are available.
To make things more cost effective I can understand making a liquid base then a dry "boost" which would be a two step throw. But would always have better results than just a pure liquid.