Author Topic: OP vs. 175 (Read 1462 times)

Legoland · « **on:** February 10, 2012, 12:44:53 AM »

I know this thread has been re-treaded, but I think I'm asking a new question...

Does 175 have it's advantages over OP as far as cleaning power? And if so, what are they?

Obviously it's less to buy a 175 vs. most OP machines,

is there any circumstance in which the 175 works better as those that know see it? If it's aside form CC, is it just a T&G thing? Is it now just a time thing or does it really clean better, say on CGD? (Which is the only way I can think.)

micky navarro · « **Reply #1 on:** February 10, 2012, 08:10:18 AM »

my initial experience to VLM cleaning was with a 175 way back in the late 70's, into the 80's. outside of the chems back them being total garbage compared to today, i'd give the (slight) edge in speed to the 175, and the (slight) edge in cleaning ability to OP.
i feel the OP is better at digging up crud from the carpet base, while on T&G, the edge would have to go to the 175 for cleaning due to the weight!

now i've never used these new machines that are out now. that trinity OP machine from big john, and that mini-max rotary from john at bonnett-pro! them is some kick **** machines, and they seem to be extremely fast, and do one heck of a job cleaning, whatever it is they are being used on!

i'm sure both these guys will chime in to elaborate more!!!

Mike M · « **Reply #2 on:** February 10, 2012, 08:43:49 AM »

Not all OP and 175 machines are the same.

Given the same size I would go with a wheels down OP for carpet cleaning.

Either would work for VCT floor care but I would probably use a 175 for that if it were my main business. The machines are generally less expensive and work fine for the job.

No one machine does everything the best. There are numerous tools out there that can be used to do a job. I do realize that money is tight in the beginning and you won't own one of everything.

I would begin a tool search with...........what is my main business or expected use? We don't all have the same target market so our needs may be different.

Honestly I have many hours of experience using both types of machines and can achieve great results with either. Having a tool is one thing. Knowing how to use it is another.

Nick · « **Reply #3 on:** February 10, 2012, 12:38:41 PM »

Very well said Mike. I think how you operate your equipment makes a difference.
Oh chemical helps also. LOL!

Bonnet Pro · « **Reply #4 on:** February 10, 2012, 12:45:20 PM »

I think your getting away from the real cleaning issue, the chemical. I can clean a carpet with the chemical and without the machine. I would just take a very long time by hand. You will not however clean the carpet with the machine and without the chemical. Try cleaning oily binders with just water.The chemistry is your first and most important consideration. When you select a machine it should save you time with results that will satisfy your customer, getting you paid and back in the door for a repeat performance.That said I'm hearing both. Some say the the rotary is best and some the op. I'm a manufacture so my opinion doesn't mean as much as the feedback from the general population, to be fair. The fact is are the customers happy? Do you get paid? Are you getting repeat business? And do you like operating your equipment due to its performance, time savings, appearance etc. It seems that people are chasing the fountain of youth, it does not exist as the perfect clean does not exist. I have out cleaned my truckmount with my Mini and the truckmount has won on other days depending on the circumstance. So I would think the same is true between the rotary and the op. Im sure some will disagree. No one thing wins all the time, it depends on the variables.

Mike M · « **Reply #5 on:** February 10, 2012, 01:01:05 PM »

Tools + Chems + Operator= Clean

I gave up looking for the fountain of youth. If you saw me you would know that!

It is true though..........Everyone looks for the ultimate machine. There are multiple ultimate machines. Just depends on the job at hand.

Infamousdave · « **Reply #6 on:** February 10, 2012, 10:47:18 PM »

I don't think the Original Poster is asking which machine is best overall, he is asking if there are certain situations that a rotary will work better on than an OP.

I think the answer is probably NO, but what do I know.

He also wants to know if there are any advantages of a rotary vs. an OP.

I would say that the main advantages would be price and ease of operation since a rotary is sort of a self propelled unit that you don't have to muscle. I might also think that the advantages of OP may outweigh these disadvantages for some people.

Legoland · « **Reply #7 on:** February 12, 2012, 08:33:05 PM »

A lot of great answers to my question. I think that by all of them I have surmised that, more than equipment, it is chems and technique that make it happen, and ultimately, a good cleaning job relies on experience.

So an answer to my question, however, now, a question to my answer, will I ever be able to be confident in answering this question... not if I'm not experienced... and that only comes with trying. You Taoist subject of the day!

Mike M · « **Reply #8 on:** February 13, 2012, 05:47:51 AM »

Yes.

micky navarro · « **Reply #9 on:** February 13, 2012, 08:31:30 AM »

what mike sed

Ray Branch · « **Reply #10 on:** February 13, 2012, 12:56:36 PM »

I was "good" until that last line from Legoland. Now...I'm scratching my head.

Andy Mc · « **Reply #11 on:** February 13, 2012, 01:21:57 PM »

I'll tell you what, I'm rather supprised at how well a rotary can clean compared to an OP. I haven't used it for anything real dirty yet, I assume that's were I'll see the difference in results. Hard to imagine that a rotary can clean the trashed out carpet as welll as an OP, I can't wait for that chance to try it out and see. (op will be on stand by)

I do like the ease of movement with a rotary, You can go side ways and slant ways and back words and forwards, long ways, up ways and down ways, and in ways and out ways. all with just a twitch of your pinky toe. I'm still new with it, so I may end up thinking it sucks by the end of the week, and toss it in the columbia river, but so far so good/.

ChemBright · « **Reply #12 on:** February 13, 2012, 04:27:11 PM »

I have been saying that a 175 can clean just as well as a OP just not as fast but I get trashed by some for saying so. I actually find that running a 175 is more taxing on me than a OP machine. Now an OP with wheels off the ground will give you an aneurysm.

Duck Country · « **Reply #13 on:** February 13, 2012, 04:53:13 PM »

I swear by my 175, never at it.

G Kleen · « **Reply #14 on:** February 13, 2012, 06:00:54 PM »


Commercial Carpet Cleaning from Zero Dry Time

ChemBright · « **Reply #15 on:** February 13, 2012, 08:00:00 PM »

Although that video is impressive. It is not an everyday statistic in the residential world with a 175. We all know that not every carpet has a night and day result with one pass.

Andy Mc · « **Reply #16 on:** February 13, 2012, 08:22:08 PM »

What do you think G, you use bolth don't you? How do they compare, in your world?

G Kleen · « **Reply #17 on:** February 13, 2012, 10:41:16 PM »

I honestly can't tell the difference. If you have the chemistry right, either machine will look great.

Nick · « **Reply #18 on:** February 14, 2012, 06:38:08 AM »

I have a rotary,orbot and crb and they all have their place IMO. G how do you like the
machine you were using on the video? I've heard some good things about that machine.

G Kleen · « **Reply #19 on:** February 14, 2012, 08:32:25 AM »

Nick, that's not me on the video. The video came from the Bonnet Pro site where a guy used Surround boosted with Bright All. But I do own a Orbis like the one in the video. They are good machines for the money but I would much rather have my Mini Max.

Nick · « **Reply #20 on:** February 14, 2012, 08:54:45 AM »

Yeah these new machine are cool but pretty pricey for me right now. Well the
chemical worked really well from what I saw in the video.

Andy Mc · « **Reply #21 on:** February 14, 2012, 09:33:14 AM »

orbis is less than $700.

CleanImage · « **Reply #22 on:** February 14, 2012, 10:28:10 AM »

Quote from: Andy Mc on February 14, 2012, 09:33:14 AM

orbis is less than $700.

Shipping included too.

G Kleen · « **Reply #23 on:** February 14, 2012, 12:07:02 PM »

It's like anything else, you get what you pay for. The Orbis is all plastic and the Mini Max is all aluminum and stainless, will last a lifetime along with a "one of a kind" dual solution dispensing system, and cleans faster than the Orbis.
The Orbis is certainly worth $700 though. Use it until it tears up, throw it away and get another one.

Burtonblue75 · « **Reply #24 on:** February 14, 2012, 02:10:01 PM »

One thing I think might have been passed over is in a trashed residential, hooking up a big cotton loop pad and being able to run on one pad instead of 5 thin OP pads. I can only talk for the Swing machines, but I know even in a filth situation having the ability to run big pads is awesome. I have ran OP pads on my swing and they work great just gotta use Alot of them. I am sure the cotton loops create a much heavier digging action then lets say just using an op pad or a blended pad with green stripes. I usually do a combo of green stipers and then followed by cotton loops and I can make untouchable results even in the worst situations.

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Author Topic: OP vs. 175 (Read 1462 times)