Author Topic: Dual Speed VS 175 (Read 460 times)

Andy Mc · « **on:** February 18, 2012, 04:55:49 PM »

Lets see if we can get another good slug fest going here, lol

Seriously however and so forth, how much better and or faster would a 300 speed clean compared to 175, and is 300 speed as safe for carpet as 175. And can 300 speed be used on residential carpet, or only for commercial carpet. Pro s , con's .?

Mike M · « **Reply #1 on:** February 18, 2012, 05:21:08 PM »

Yes.

G Kleen · « **Reply #2 on:** February 18, 2012, 06:40:26 PM »

I have never had the opportunity to use a 300 rpm rotary, but I am sure that it would be faster. I have used 200 rpm and 230 rpm.

John Geurkink · « **Reply #3 on:** February 18, 2012, 07:59:21 PM »

NOw I am just going to sit and eat popcorn...

bigchuckie · « **Reply #4 on:** February 18, 2012, 08:59:51 PM »

I have a dual speed rotary. On high speed it does not seem to dig as deep as it does on low speed. On lg commercial areas I can really move. Although if really soiled I kick it down to low and use a FP pad. Btw my idea of lg commercial is 3500 sq I do mostly small commercial ie doctors offices, small churches, and senior centers. I dont have much use for a Trininty or a Cimex yet.

ChemBright · « **Reply #5 on:** February 18, 2012, 10:35:43 PM »

300's suck. A 175 is the do all and end all of all there is to do....all.

Now, tack on a $3800 price tag to a decked out 300 rpm rotary and you'll have yourself one fine $3800 rotary. Still wont be as good as an OP cuz an OP just darn well cleans faster.

John, please pass the popcorn..

John Geurkink · « **Reply #6 on:** February 19, 2012, 08:15:12 AM »

More butter please...

Andy Mc · « **Reply #7 on:** February 19, 2012, 11:48:22 AM »

xerion will dispute you Mr chem.

I agree OP kicks but t , however having a chepo back up machine for around 800 bucks, might makes sense for when the OP breaks down Or when you get a real big job and want to run 2 machines with a helper. I don't like the Idea of spending over 2 G's on a back up unit. that only get used once in awhile. Please Pass the salt.

G Kleen · « **Reply #8 on:** February 19, 2012, 12:11:03 PM »

All I know is that the rotary I am running now is the fastest VLM machine I have ever used on light to medium soil conditions. Probably because of the nice options included with it. I have ran about everything.
Trashed out stuff would respond better to OP probably, not real sure though. Depends on the chems and what was run under the driver.
It's a great time to be a carpet cleaner. Great chems and great machines.

Duck Country · « **Reply #9 on:** February 19, 2012, 12:11:59 PM »

ebay is my first choice in purchasing hardware. Price is everything for the customers and me.

Andy Mc · « **Reply #10 on:** February 19, 2012, 12:26:07 PM »

what the heck dose that have to do with the topic ? Stay focused Daniel son! Pass the popcorn sauce.

ChemBright · « **Reply #11 on:** February 19, 2012, 08:40:45 PM »

Out of popcorn sauce......A1?

Ray Branch · « **Reply #12 on:** February 20, 2012, 05:24:46 AM »

Quote from: John Geurkink on February 18, 2012, 07:59:21 PM

NOw I am just going to sit and eat popcorn...

Now that's funny John.

bigchuckie · « **Reply #13 on:** February 20, 2012, 07:24:37 AM »

MR G what is the RPM of a Trinity w/o the smaller orbits

Duck Country · « **Reply #14 on:** February 20, 2012, 10:38:25 AM »

Quote from: John Geurkink on February 20, 2012, 06:47:34 AM

According to John @ Bonnet Pro the 200RPM is 14% faster cleaning than the 175RPM..
Those are from HIS videos..
so a 300 RPMwould be 50% faster than that...

Problem is, take 100 RPM and add 1725 OPM and that is WAY more agitation, so I would assume all you physics majors would agree OP is WAY faster, however, seems that is where the rotary guys CHANGE their views and go off on emotions and feelings and get all screwed up...

The logic to the argument John is this. Using a 175 at my prices I make the profit I want. Assuming just for a moment that an opm does it better and faster, how many more jobs will it bring me which based on THEIR profits alone will pay for a piece of equipment that I was do just fine without? It is all about the money. I am not focused of how I am admired by my piers based on what I drive, what equipment I run and how at 60 I still have most of the hair I was born with and only a few white strands in the mix with red hair. Nope, it is all about the money.

bigchuckie · « **Reply #15 on:** February 20, 2012, 01:28:32 PM »

Quote from: Duck Country on February 20, 2012, 10:38:25 AM

Quote from: John Geurkink on February 20, 2012, 06:47:34 AM
According to John @ Bonnet Pro the 200RPM is 14% faster cleaning than the 175RPM..
Those are from HIS videos..
so a 300 RPMwould be 50% faster than that...

Problem is, take 100 RPM and add 1725 OPM and that is WAY more agitation, so I would assume all you physics majors would agree OP is WAY faster, however, seems that is where the rotary guys CHANGE their views and go off on emotions and feelings and get all screwed up...

The logic to the argument John is this. Using a 175 at my prices I make the profit I want. Assuming just for a moment that an opm does it better and faster, how many more jobs will it bring me which based on THEIR profits alone will pay for a piece of equipment that I was do just fine without? It is all about the money. I am not focused of how I am admired by my piers based on what I drive, what equipment I run and how at 60 I still have most of the hair I was born with and only a few white strands in the mix with red hair. Nope, it is all about the money.

I agree the money that Iam not spending on paying for a new cleaning machine is going into advertising.

Andy Mc · « **Reply #16 on:** February 20, 2012, 02:29:48 PM »

you guys make a good point, I'm selling all my stuff, and will replace it with a soni care tooth brush, put the rest in to advertizing.

Bonnet Pro · « **Reply #17 on:** February 20, 2012, 04:39:17 PM »

Problem is, take 100 RPM and add 1725 OPM and that is WAY more agitation, so I would assume all you physics majors would agree OP is WAY faster, however, seems that is where the rotary guys CHANGE their views and go off on emotions and feelings and get all screwed up...

Who changed their view. Its nice to see that your road trip has not taken away your kind and humble Christian demeanor. Sure was nice and quite for a few weeks. Andy if you get two Soni`s than you will be able to keep up with the 1725 OPM`s at 1"

G Kleen · « **Reply #18 on:** February 20, 2012, 08:29:50 PM »

Let's see. This thread was started with a question concerning a rotary 175 vs a rotary 300. Johnny G, how and why did you feel the need to inject sarcasm into this discussion? It would be one thing to defend your OP machine if it was attacked, but quite another when your type of equipment wasn't even part of the discussion.
He who looks for a fight will usually get one. I just don't see why you would want to.

Burtonblue75 · « **Reply #19 on:** February 21, 2012, 02:15:39 AM »

Back on track... kinda.. 175 single speeds usually wiegh in at about 20lbs more than 300s. they are also geared for more torque and less horse power. Alot of situations u might feel as if a 300 is floating on top of the carpet.. and it does..
1. because it wieghs less and 2. because its spinning alnost twice as fast.
we have to remeber more weight the machine has the more agressive it is. Thats why if u ask me the mini makes since beacuse its got to weigh alot! and at 200 rpms sounds like he might have hit the sweet spot.
175s should be able to out clean 300s in trashed situations

G Kleen · « **Reply #20 on:** February 21, 2012, 07:53:09 AM »

You said several things that I haven't heard before Mr Blue. I did not know that the 300s were lighter. Interesting.

You mentioned the Mini Max and the sweet spot. You may have it there because I have been trying to understand why it cleans so darn good. I have an Orbis rotary that spins at 235 rpm that doesn't dig in and clean like the Mini Max. The Orbis has that floating feeling you described. I just figured it was because the Orbis is all plastic.
The Mini Max cleans good and is very fast. I know that Bonnet Pro spent a long time in testing and developing the Mini Max, guess you hit on the reason why. The Mini was designed for carpet and nothing else.
The reason I bought the Mini Max was because I needed to buy something for tax purposes before the end of the year, plus it looked so darn cool. I had no idea that it would perform like it does. It has been a big surprise.
Friday night I cleaned 4,000 sq. ft. of carpeted hallways in a hospital. It took 1 hour and 15 minutes, which also included stopping for solution once.

Thanks again for the back on track post Mr. Blue. Very informative.

Bonnet Pro · « **Reply #21 on:** February 21, 2012, 09:40:23 AM »

Hey John G. The tooth brush thing was just a joke. Didnt mean to hurt your feelings. I thought Andy`s comment was very funny and clever. You do need to lighten up brother.

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Author Topic: Dual Speed VS 175 (Read 460 times)