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Offline Andy Mc

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perox yet again
« on: September 30, 2010, 02:45:42 PM »
I didn't want to PADJACK chems thread , so here we go again with yet another perox review.

Just got back from my 1st peroxellent job.  Carpet was lightly soiled but had several small urine stains and a few coffee spills.  I pre sprayed at 10 oz per gallon.  None of the stains moved during cleaning, except 1 fresh urine spot, and it seemed to fizz as soon as I hit it with pre spray.   So I finished up the job.

 Before I did the post vac I grabbed my problem b gone to hit the remaining stains , and they were not there any more.  After looking real close I found just a hint of yellow left on one of the urine spots so I misted that with PBG.  I bet if I had left it for another hour it would have gone away on it's own.

Another plus....  was the deodorizing ability. Normally I can smell urine real strong after getting it wet with pre spray. I got just a hint of it with the perox, and the fragrance covered that up pretty well.

After about 30 minutes on the job I couldn't smell any urine at all.   This house also had a ton of dog hair. , and I didn't get the wet dog smell like I normally do.   So far seems like a great product to use for homes that have pets.

TM review coming ,  soon stay tuned

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Re: perox yet again
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2010, 05:37:22 PM »
I used it again on a couple jobs with pet urine and it did a great job of cleaning and deodorizing. One of the jobs had an off white carpet with a really good traffic pattern down the hallway. Sprayed twice and the hallway looked 90% better when I was done. I am real happy with this cleaning agent.

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Re: perox yet again
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2010, 06:27:46 PM »
Will it replace EG?

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Re: perox yet again
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2010, 06:45:31 PM »

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Re: perox yet again
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2010, 06:46:32 PM »
I dunno Bill at 10 ounces I would think more for the dirty ones.  It works awesome on furniture and carpet just be careful it left my carpet crunchy in some of the areas I heavily sprayed.

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Re: perox yet again
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2010, 06:53:03 PM »
So far so good for me. If it saves me time on a job I don't care about the 10oz per gallon.

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Re: perox yet again
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2010, 07:21:09 PM »
My jobs are different than some of you guys, I only do residential no rentals.  I don't mind getting some of the product but the double dilution compared to EG or Ultra means I'm using 2.5 as much as my current pre spray.  I haven't had any issues with EG with the type of jobs I do.  Every once in a while I get the filthy ones, again not to put the product down, I can tell from you guys it works, just the 10 compared to 4 oz is the only thing stopping me from pulling the trigger. If I had rental and apartments I'd deff have some in stock.

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Re: perox yet again
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2010, 07:34:01 PM »
, I can tell from you guys it works, just the 10 compared to 4 oz is the only thing stopping me from pulling the trigger. If I had rental and apartments I'd deff have some in stock.

Yeah but EG is $36.75 a gallon and Perox is $30.00 a gallon. So are you really losing money?

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Re: perox yet again
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2010, 10:48:42 PM »
I did a thing. Raised my rates.

funny me.

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Re: perox yet again
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2010, 12:10:18 AM »
I'm comparing dilution ratios.

Product A - 4oz/gallon - @ 1 gallon usage per job=32 jobs.
Product B - 10oz/gallon - @ 1 gallon usage per job=13 jobs.

Product A mixed @ 4oz/gallon will do 19 more jobs than product B at 10oz/gallon. 
Product A costs $36.75 and Product B costs $30.00 or $75.00 to do the same amount of jobs.
Cost difference is $38.25 per gallon.

Case -
Product A - 128 jobs - cost - $140
Product B - 51 jobs - cost - $112 or $280 when compared to Product A

I'm pointing this out because as a small business grows all these numbers are important, in the last 2 years I've visited and talk to many large size businesses, and they know every oz that tech's use and everything is documented.  The same model should be used by small businesses even if we are saving a few bucks per gallon.  It's good to know these costs as well.

My price structure works for my business model.

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Re: perox yet again
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2010, 01:54:28 AM »
Just keep a jug or two on hand for when needed Bill? ..as the o crap this worse then expected... kind of job:)


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Re: perox yet again
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2010, 04:34:47 AM »
I dunno Bill at 10 ounces I would think more for the dirty ones.  It works awesome on furniture and carpet just be careful it left my carpet crunchy in some of the areas I heavily sprayed.
Just about any prespray that is applied heavily will create the crunch you mention, however post vacuuming shold take care of it.

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Re: perox yet again
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2010, 06:27:11 AM »
Bill makes a valid point. If I may ad to his line of thinking:

If I use peroxy as my main juice always, I am wasting the chemical on carpet(s) that may have done just as good using another choice.

However, for right now, it is the go-to juice so I can see with my own eyes when best to use it.

I now charge more when I use it by 5 bucks a room. I also upsell it to custy's.

Also I need to keep in mind it has a shelf life. I bought one case and on my last 2 gallons and they are not as strong as the first two.

This concerns me.

The bottles have expanded many times where I need to 'vent' them and each time I knew, they had lost O2.

Now I had rather see steve make a basic juice where we can ad our how hydrogen peroxide. Me having to ad it to such an expensive juice gives me cause to consider other options.

Steve needs to read this thread.

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Re: perox yet again
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2010, 09:40:24 AM »
Something to consider in the cost.

Time saved , less passes to get the same clean (At least this appears to be the case so far) Less time spent using spotters to pre treat certain stains.

How much do you spend on spotters?  SO far it seems that this stuff reduces the use of spotters by maybe half.

How much do you spend on deodorizer?  Perox appears to be a great deodorizer, if I was using encap green I would have added at least 6 oz of odorcide (2oz per gall)  to the job I did yesterday.

All things considered the cost is off set somewhat by what it saves.   Now I don't plan to replace EG completly, but will for sure use perox for the pet jobs, or when I feel it will work better and save time.

Phil, made a good point about charging extra for using it,  Could give the customer the option to up grade to a sanitizing/deodorizing pre spray, for a little extra per room. Just tell them it's twice the cost of your normal pre spray and the extra charge is simply to cover that additional cost you have.     If they have  pets they'll  be glad to do it.

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Re: perox yet again
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2010, 10:53:53 AM »
I like the idea of telling custy my cost is double.

Good call Andy. I see that being an easy way, coupled with explaining what is really in the juice...

spot-on too with the spotter thing. However, I never use a spotter. Honest...

If I need to go heavy, I use my Mytee Lite 2 and some high ph HWE soap. :)

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Re: perox yet again
« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2010, 02:25:46 PM »
Andy- That is exactly what I was thinking about. I think when it all boils down you are just comparing pennies. Time spent on a job is much more important to me than if I saved a couple dollars on the chemical.

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Re: perox yet again
« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2010, 10:53:25 PM »
I was trying to show how it is important to know your costs in chemical usage.  I'm not comparing pennies, the above is used by many large companies when employees are wasting chemicals, they need to keep track, even every penny counts.  If you ever decide to have employees and grow your business, this will be very important.  I choose to run my biz this way even if I'm not a large company. 

I was not comparing perox to eg, only when Jon brought up the cost difference, I'm talking as far as dilution ratios you are spending a lot more product than one using less.  Doesn't matter if you have to use spotters or not, not everyone has the same jobs.  So some people may have high soiled jobs and others have light to medium soil almost every day.  The difference would be on the type of jobs that you do, if you have to use a ton of spotters and trashed out carpets than go with one product that would eliminate having to use additional spotters, only common sense there and I agree.  I only compared EG to Perox due to the price comment by Jon, however I no longer use EG I use SU and I have not needed to use any extra deodorizer such as odorcide ever since i made the switch, so that also saves me a ton of $. 

Like Dus said, what I would also do is keep 1 gallon of perox in the van for jobs that have lots of urine stains, I don't come across these much.  Most of the people that call are more concerned about the odor, so they end up going w/ pet odor removal.

Use what you think works best for you, not every job will need the higher dilution chemical(this has been my case).

I can use surround ultra or encap green on my jobs and not have a need for any other pre sprays, because my jobs are light to medium soil 95% of the time, so time spent is never an issue, and to me from what I mentioned above it's not a few dollars but $38 bucks. 

We don't charge extra for cleaning or deodorizer, but I do tell them my cost is double for protector, that's the only add on I have for carpet cleaning. 

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Re: perox yet again
« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2010, 01:01:33 AM »
I liked your cost comparison you put up above bill.

I do think Perox is great. I dont know for sure if it will be my main cleaner forever but for now I am enjoying the results as well as the smell. EG is great but I have found that is gels or packs up my sprayers after awhile and yes, I do not rinse out my sprayer at the end of the day and you know what? Not gonna!
So, that is my only issue with EG. Surrounds "green DS" has been working good for me but I dont like the soapy smell. I LOVE the smell of Peroxcellent.

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Re: perox yet again
« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2010, 07:40:41 AM »
Chemical cost is something cleaners have talked about for years.

Its such a small percentage of your overall expenses that it isn't really worth spending a lot of time on. You would do better spending time on other areas of your business or getting better mileage from your vehicle.

Find something that WORKS first. Then worry about cost if you must.

Peroxide cleaners have been around for years. Glad they are figuring out how to put it in encap formulas with success.

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Re: perox yet again
« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2010, 08:01:50 AM »
Well said Mike.

I am not too busy triping over dollars to save pennies.

My cost, whatever that is, is built into their cost.

But for now, I am more concerned with knowing, exactly, what these juices will and more importantly, NOT do. Cost is adjustable in other areas.

I am making a good profit using peroxcellent. Bill has a differnet soil in his niche than I do in mine.


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Re: perox yet again
« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2010, 09:32:10 AM »
Exactly!

Match the product to the job. I don't see how one product could do it all. We always stocked a selection of products for various types of jobs we did.

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Re: perox yet again
« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2010, 11:03:05 AM »
I think Phil needs to quit double spacing his posts.

I like Peroxcellent.

I like Encap Green.

I really like coffee.

Can a wood chuck wood if he's made of wood?

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Re: perox yet again
« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2010, 12:16:58 PM »
You want me to stop using these little dot things too?........


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Re: perox yet again
« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2010, 12:27:24 PM »
You want me to stop using these little dot things too?........

Shoot! Who uses those nowadays?  :-[ :017: :-[

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Re: perox yet again
« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2010, 01:51:23 PM »
anyone who double spaces his posts

 


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