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Offline MarkD

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Re: Challenger start your Bussiness package
« Reply #50 on: April 28, 2011, 09:24:22 AM »
So as not to be thought of as a "one-post" wonder, I thought I would come back with what I hope will be a wrap-up post.  Let me offer a thank you to everyone who offered a thoughtful comment here, and even to those whose posts  seemed only  to be an opportunity to punish a new arrival who had the nerve to take issue with comments posted here by some of this board's most sacred cows - oops, I mean icons.  I am also pleased that some of the people who had actual positive experiences in dealing with both me and my Package showed up to try and hold back the tsunami of negativity that washed ashore here.  I think that Mike M. is a first class example of what a board administrator should be. He tried to remain a neutral force as the heated action swirled about him. 

I did feel that there was some piling on.  Seven posts from c spot stop?  Are things really that slow?  Wouldn't all that time be better spent tweaking your marketing plan than just hurling invective on a subject on which you have ZERO first hand knowledge?  And ChemBright /J. Gillespie.  Six posts.  I see (saw) the term Global Moderator next to your name.  Isn't a Moderator by definition the person at a public forum whose job is to instruct the combatants to not hit below the belt; to keep it civil, and to refrain most of all from indulging in personal attacks?  You seemed to have redefined the role as to lead the mudslinging.  If ever the Olympics adds "jumping to conclusions" as an Olympic event, I'm willing to bet that some of the naysayers here win the Gold, or at least the Silver.

My original critics here seemed to have zeroed in on certain of what they consider weaknesses in what I provided them both in terms of tools and professional direction.  My stair/upholstery tool, and what was sent them 5 years ago as a spotter.  I will defend the tool, but not the spotter.  Fair enough on the spotter.
Mean-spirited criticism that I have replaced it with the wonderful Vacaway Sample Pak.

With regard to the cheap-ass car buffer:  my inspiration for this was the Gary Heacock rotary approach to cleaning carpeted stairs and upholstered furniture.  If you don't know who Gary Heacock is, then you don't know much about this industry.  He is a true icon of this industry, who is retired now and living in Portland Oregon.  I will give you some web pages to take a look at:
1.   http://www.heacocks.com/University/EncapStairs.htm
2.   http://www.heacocks.com/University/SpeedyCleaning.htm    and
3.   http://www.heacocks.com/University/OfficeChairs.htm

It seems that both Gary and I recognize that it's not important that you have the biggest tool in town.
What's important, in both carpet cleaning as well as in, shall we say, the romantic arts, is that you know how  to USE the tool you bring to whatever is the task at hand.  Size may matter, but skill matters more.

The only real difference between my method and his is that mine uses an orbital motion, and his uses rotary motion.  Choose whichever you like.  I doubt if either you or a customer could tell the difference in the results.  There is also a video of him doing an upholstery job using this method.  I have hunted around for it, but couldn't find it.  I mentioned in my original post that I also use a Cleanfix Floormac for stairs.  It is very similar to the Oreck Orbiter XXL, but not as good.  The Oreck has a capacitor start.  The Floormac does not, and therefore it takes a little lifting to enable it to get up to full operating speed.  Then it's fine.  Also, the Oreck has the on/off switch up on the handle, where it is easy to use.   On the Floormac, it is way down on the floor level, requiring toe action, or leaning way down.

I thought as a kind of peace offering, I would offer anyone on this board either my cheap ass tool, set up with the same velcro as is on the Challenger's pad driver, for, say, $65.  The labor and technique I have learned over time to keep the velcro from coming off make it worth the difference between the $25 I pay for the tool in the store, and the price I'll sell it at.  I will even ship it at my expense.  On the other hand, if anyone would like an Oreck Orbiter XXL at rock-bottom wholesale price, for the past year or so I have been offering it as a kind of "sweetener" to my Package by selling it at the price I have been able to get from Oreck - $300 - plus about $35 in shipping costs.
My email address is markd@cybercom.net if anyone wants to take me up on this offer.

Re. my embattled Training Manual, who some here love to denigrate (whether they have actually seen it or not):  I am going to send one to Mike Martell, and let him read and comment on it as he sees fit. I hope that is seen as fair.

 


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Re: Challenger start your Bussiness package
« Reply #51 on: April 28, 2011, 09:45:08 AM »
Mark - The price on your Oreck Orbiter is excellent.

Anyone looking for one might want to take him up on that offer!  ;D

Looking forward to reading the manual.

I always enjoyed reading posts and articles from Gary Heacock. A very practical cleaner.
« Last Edit: April 28, 2011, 09:47:56 AM by Mike Martell »

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« Reply #52 on: April 28, 2011, 02:25:23 PM »
And that is reflective of the type of crap he always posted on his board.

invective:

in·vec·tive
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–noun
1.
vehement or violent denunciation, censure, or reproach.
2.
a railing accusation; vituperation.
3.
an insulting or abusive word or expression.

Very dramatic choice of words. I have to go look it up.

I wonder where he learned it.

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Re: Challenger start your Bussiness package
« Reply #53 on: April 28, 2011, 03:59:59 PM »
Typical braniac. Knows lots of big words. but social skills are lacking.

When a manufacturer gets so defensive about there product it makes me believe that they are in the habit of defending there product. If they have to defend there product on a normal basis then there is usually a better product out there. 

It's usually a bad sign when someone gets so offended by constructive criticism.

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Re: Challenger start your Bussiness package
« Reply #54 on: April 28, 2011, 04:10:47 PM »
   And ChemBright /J. Gillespie.  Six posts.  I see (saw) the term Global Moderator next to your name.  Isn't a Moderator by definition the person at a public forum whose job is to instruct the combatants to not hit below the belt; to keep it civil, and to refrain most of all from indulging in personal attacks?  You seemed to have redefined the role as to lead the mudslinging. 

There is no "Global Moderator" next to my name anymore. This forum has never really needed a moderator. In the past I have offered for Mike to take it away from me due to the fact that people like you who come on here ******* and moaning because they got thier **** hurt from a past customer not liking your products annoy me.

Frankly, your first post and now your second have not even contributed in a positive way here. You continue to sling mud around and yet try to come across as the good guy (by sending Mike your manuel).
Recently, Mike made alot of changes on this board and he asked me if I wouldn't mind giving up the Moderator title. I was more than happy to because I do know that I have no patience for people like you who come on here as slop **** around about two members (Grant & Andy) that have probably influence more in this industry (in a positive manner) than you and your Harbor Freight orbital. I am glad I am not moderator now so I don't feel guilty about telling a self serving guy to go fly a kite!

Am I acting unprofessional? You bet. Do I care? Nope!

People on this board know me and know my nature. I have always tried to help others out on here for many years. I just have no tolerance for cry babies in this industry. You really should have addressed this whole topic in a much different way. Your name has left a nasty scar.
« Last Edit: April 28, 2011, 04:30:26 PM by ChemBright »

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Re: Challenger start your Bussiness package
« Reply #55 on: April 28, 2011, 04:46:27 PM »
#9

One word:

Invective.

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« Reply #56 on: April 28, 2011, 05:50:11 PM »

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Re: Challenger start your Bussiness package
« Reply #57 on: May 10, 2011, 09:04:27 AM »
I bought Marks package about six years ago. No regrets...fair price for a quaility machine and some guidence as to how to work the machine , where to buy some related products and how to market business. Most important was the support and advice Mark provided to a "new guy" . I am still using the Challenger I purchased from Mark. I currently own four Cimex machines an additional Challenger as well as three portable mini extracters and a larger portable HWE unit. The Challenger Package gave me a good start and the price of one or two residental jobs. I then moved on taking IICRC cources, joining industry groups (I sit on the BOD for the www.lmcca.com), visiting discussion board like this one, attending conferences (www.connectionsconvention.org) and reading industry publications.

Point being I did not rely on Marks into package to reach my ultimate goals. I moved on and continued to learn and grow. Mark sold me a seed a little water and some starter fertilizer. I did the rest.

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Re: Challenger start your Bussiness package
« Reply #58 on: May 10, 2011, 01:11:42 PM »
O holy heck!

Will this issue ever die?

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« Reply #59 on: May 10, 2011, 03:22:00 PM »
OK, Getting tierd of the infomercials.  None have addressed any of the issues, or problems that were raised here. For the sake of humanity, I removed all my posts on this thread.

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« Reply #60 on: May 10, 2011, 05:53:36 PM »
What I learned from this thread.

1. MarkD has a group of followers that come out of the wood work when thier leader is being threatened.

2. These people do not care to contribute to this forum in any positive way.

The end.

PS. Mark? Can we end this now? Eevryone already knows all the insecurity flying around. Lets just let it all go.

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« Reply #61 on: May 10, 2011, 09:25:32 PM »
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MarkD has a group of followers that come out of the wood work when thier leader is being threatened.

We do that when any one of us is threatened.

Or insulted.


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« Reply #62 on: May 10, 2011, 10:22:33 PM »
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MarkD has a group of followers that come out of the wood work when thier leader is being threatened.

We do that when any one of us is threatened.

Or insulted.

No, the difference is there is no one "in the wood work". Everyone here posts frequently. We dont pop around on other forums giving our one post comment without any other contributions.

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« Reply #63 on: May 11, 2011, 05:59:32 AM »
We are saying the same thing.


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« Reply #64 on: May 11, 2011, 09:00:20 AM »
You guys have got to get one of these!! (It was the testimonials that sold me,) take a look it's amazing what these guys have to say ...

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« Reply #65 on: May 11, 2011, 09:39:14 AM »

roflmao   :043: :043:

that guy looks like billy baldwin!

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« Reply #66 on: May 11, 2011, 01:39:54 PM »
That was hilarious!

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« Reply #67 on: May 11, 2011, 11:21:26 PM »
 :lol:
The moral of the story is
Cocaine, IS a Hell of a Drug!

+1 for look alike Baldwin!

 


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